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Matt DeCoursey is a Kansas City-based Co-founder and CEO at Full Scale. Full Scale is a business that helps software companies recruit, assess, retain, and employ experts. They have a staff of over 225 people — and growing.

Matt is also the CEO and Founder of GigaBook, a provider of cloud-based business tools for small and medium-sized companies. He’s a Co-host of the Startup Hustle Podcast and the author of Million Dollar Bedroom, Balance Me, and a co-author of The Realist’s Guide to a Successful Music Career.

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Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn:

  • How Matt DeCoursey and Matt Watson met to co-found Full Scale
  • Matt shares the rationale for his book on having a successful music career
  • What other startups can learn from music bands
  • Why did Matt quit the music business for the tech industry?
  • Lessons from Matt’s Balance Me book
  • Best practices for hiring developers
  • Key positions to hire for growth — and the hires you don’t want
  • How to plan for growth
  • Buy vs. build
  • Full Scale’s ideal businesses to work with
  • Matt’s favorite tools

In this episode…

Hiring tech talent is a hustle most founders would want to wish away. That is because many businesses struggle to find a good mix of talent, skills, experience, and culture fit. Filtering for these — and more — requires best practices. But that’s only one part of the problem.

When your demand for tech talent increases and you have to hire outside the US, how do you scale your hiring process to maintain a high standard of team members? At what point do you outsource your tech work or hire in-house? When is it better to buy than try to build software?

Listen to this episode of the Inspired Insider Podcast with Dr. Jeremy Weisz featuring Matt DeCoursey, CEO and Co-founder of Full Scale. They discuss the high shortage of tech talent in the US, the best practices of hiring tech talent across borders, how to plan for growth, hiring at scale, and much more.

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Episode Transcript

Jeremy Weisz 0:19

Dr. Jeremy Weisz here, Founder of where I talk with inspirational entrepreneurs and leaders and before I formally introduce to you today Matt DeCoursey of Matt I always like to mention past episodes that would be interesting for people to check out I was thinking, What’s kind of relevant to today’s guest and thinking, checkout OurCrowd I interviewed OurCrowd Founder Jonathan Medved talked about their equity crowdfunding platform that’s raised more than a billion dollars from over 770 companies since its launch in 2013. Zapier Founder Wade Foster talks about growing Zapier tech company and you’ll see why this kind of plays a role in what we’re going to talk about today. And many, many more check out And this episode is brought to you by Rise25 Rise25 we help businesses give to and connect to their dream 100 relationships by helping you run your podcast. Basically, Matt for me, the number one thing in my life is relationships. I’m always looking at ways to give to my best relationships and profiling the people and the companies I admire and I found no better way over the past decade to have them on my podcast and shout out from the rooftops of what they’re working on what they’re doing. And they’re cool stories that other people can learn from. So if you’ve thought about starting a podcast, you should, if you have questions about it, go to and email us and we’ll be talking about Matt’s podcast as well. So and I want to just give a thank you to Jessica Powell who made this happen from the great team over at Full Scale and Dimitri Pitzer off who introduced me to Jessica So, you know, building a team of experts, software developers is hard. Okay, everyone knows that anyone who’s hired a software developer tried to it’s not so easy, and that’s why Matt DeCoursey and Matt Watson started Full Scale and that you can check it out at They help software companies recruit, assess, retain and employ experts. They have a staff of over 225 people and growing. Matt DeCoursey is a Kansas City based Co-founder and CEO Full Scale also caused a Startup Hustle Podcast. Congrats to them. I think they’re approaching 2 million downloads which is amazing and as well as founder of GigaBook and GigaBook is a provider of cloud based business tools for small and medium sized businesses. And he’s a top selling author if he wasn’t busy enough doing that. He’s the author of Million Dollar Bedroom, Balance Me as well as a co-author of The Realist’s Guide to Successful Music Career. So I’m gonna have to find out how does music relate to this tech world that he’s in and his cCo-Founder Matt Watson, after $150 million exit from Vinsolutions he founded Stackify to help developers improve application performance and which had a second acquisition when Netreo acquired Stackify. So, Matt, thanks for joining me.

Matt DeCoursey 3:16

Thanks for having me.

Jeremy Weisz 3:18

Let’s start off with how did you originally meet Matt, your co founder.

Matt DeCoursey 3:23

I originally met Matt Watson after reaching out to him looking for some peer to peer advice related to GigaBook. And we started GigaBook a nets out in a different business. And as we exited that first business, I was more or less trying to figure out what I was going to do when I grew up, or at least that’s what it felt like. And I wanted to know, input from Matt, Matt’s highly successful software founder. And now, that meeting went by pretty quickly at a breakfast cafe. But when I really got to know Matt was when I included him to be interviewed in my book, Million Dollar Bedroom. And we became friends after that. And kind of knew pretty quickly that we were meant to do something entrepreneurial together.