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Jeremy Weisz  9:29  

to talk about, you know, to talk specific people if you don’t want to, but I’m wondering, so what were some of those pivotal things? And you mentioned, how did the law firm?

Tara-Nicholle Kirke  9:38  

How did that happen? You know, it bizarrely it was all like natural next steps lighting up in front of me. I realized I was pregnant when I was in my junior year of high school, and I I was friendly with my principal. So I went to see her and was like, hey, what am I supposed to do about that? So what do you think I should do? And so she’s She kind of sat me down and she was like, you know, you can graduate anytime. So I had been taking because I was bored out of my mind. I had been taking night classes at the junior college just to not like eat my face off with boredom. And I’d taken all the AP classes and done all the things that the school had. And I was taking night classes, the college and she was like, you’ve you’ve already had enough credits to graduate, like, consider yourself graduated. And she picked up the phone. And she called the local university and she started making calls. And it turned out that they had this like, Bakersfield is a town that actually has a great amount of genius in it. But it, it tends to flee, it tends to leave. So they had begun to put together a scholarship program that was just getting started where local businesses who wanted to help keep you know, keep the brain drain from happening, frankly, would support those great students if they would just stay in town. And so I’m the only person I’ve ever met in my life. Jeremy, who has I have a bachelor’s degree in psychology and master’s degree in psychology, a law degree from UC Berkeley and I never took the LSAT. I didn’t have to do she just was like, Okay, you’re, you’re officially in. It’s paid for it. It was like phone calls. Not even It was wild. And and not only did they pay, they assigned me this mentor, who was a professor at the University, who had also been a very young mother, who was also a very, I have sent endowed a scholarship and her name she passed away a few years ago. Yeah, it was kind of it. That was awful. But she was very, like, the day I met her. I was super proud. I’m like, I black teenager, super pregnant, showing up being like, hi, you’re I mean, I’m sure it was kind of wild. And we had one conversation. And she started to say things like, I might do. I’m 16. I haven’t even started college yet. She started to say things like I can tell from this conversation that you’re going to need to go to grad school. She’s talking about grad school, my parents are like freaking out hoping I don’t blow all the cash that we spent on private school right there just hoping to get through college. She starts talking to me about grad school before I even come into college. She is like, in her mind, weaving together this like plan this roadmap for me of like, what research assistantship, she couldn’t get me into what like professors, I should be working for what publications, I should get into what conferences I should go to. And I’m 16 and pregnant. And so that was the level of an I do tell people, you know, a lot of the big name schools are beautiful for especially for grad school, but when you’re an undergrad, there is a level of support you can get from some of these local colleges and universities, that’s like, bananas, these professors just cared a lot. And they you know, so they started both speaking possibility in large possibilities to me, and actually, like, doing the things that I would not have known to do, putting me you know, in the rooms that I wouldn’t have known to try to get into, that did change the course of my

Jeremy Weisz  13:29  

life. You know, when you talk about that tear, I think, you know, one of those things, having a child going to college, what keeps in mind is how am I going to do this, like, separately? And you’re doing this together? Right? What was the conversation like with your parents?

Tara-Nicholle Kirke  13:47  

Not fun. It was not great. My parents actually cut me off for a while. And I was like, Yo, really, because I’ve got kids and I really thought I was doing the great work. Like I’m still staying in school and doing all this stuff. They were really not thrilled they super cut me off. It was very painful. It took a lot of years to kind of re you know, reconcile. And I was hurt, you know, this is my children are 29 and 30. Those children are 2930 now, so it’s been some years, I was having a conversation with my dad the other day, and he was sort of going through, you know, people get reflective as they age. And he was thinking through the generations of our family. And he was pointing out that in my generation of our family. The couple of cousins who have done really well were the ones who got cut off right after high school, and everybody else because my family was pretty upwardly mobile like we were definitely an upper middle class, black family or becoming that when I was a child, and my father is a real estate investor. There I have a bunch of cousins who struggle Those who kept getting checks written to them. So my dad was like reflecting and I thought he was gonna be like, I’m so sorry. I put you through that and said he was like I really did a big favor. He was like, good firm. Like, I don’t know if I agree with all that, but you can’t deny that there is a anytime there is a. Jimmy, have you heard of cryotherapy? For sure. Yeah. Okay, sounds good crowd therapy right now.

Jeremy Weisz  15:27  

I had Wim Hof on the podcast. But, you know, it was like a two, almost two hour interview. No easy sounds like you know who he is. So, I have followed some Wim Hof methods and taking his courses and done cold exposure. So,

Tara-Nicholle Kirke  15:42  

they’ll get you, right. I just like, to two days ago, I had a negative 220 degree session, three minutes session. That’s Fahrenheit, guys, really. But the thing about cryotherapy, right is it’s such a shock to your system that your system has to marshal and in a harness and drawn resources it might not otherwise in your comfortable suburban, beautiful life. And that is a little bit what are a lot what getting cut off by my parents, and just taking on all these things at a time. did was I think it built an resilience in me that is, I count on among, you know, probably my best qualities now. And I think as I you know, that was when I was in my late teens and early 20s. I’m 47 now. And I’ve realized that I don’t always have to do things the hardest possible way. I don’t always have to pile my my karma plate up at the karma buffet 15 times, you know, more than somebody else might sometimes change. Cannon needs to be rip the band aid fast. And sometimes it needs to be slow and slow can be you know, I don’t know if you’ve heard the saying slow is smooth and smooth is fast. Sometimes slow change is actually the fastest change because it’s the change that sticks and doesn’t make you want to like poke your eyes out along the way.

Jeremy Weisz  17:20  

Yeah, you’ve built this tremendous resiliency. And you probably gotten used to doing hard things. What else do you do? So the Cryotherapy is one and now you know, maybe it fills that gap in like a productive way that doesn’t make you go down a crazy path of a lot of hours or work or whatever it is, what are some other things you do that to fill that resiliency, doing the hard things?

Tara-Nicholle Kirke  17:46  

So I mean, my whole my life, Tim’s tends to present me with opportunities. I do you know, I have a five year old, right. And she was my biological granddaughter who I adopted. So she was, I was not like out on a mission to have a kid I got a wonderful opportunity to adopt the best human who has ever been made yet. And I did. But yeah, we still I still am big on big dreams. I still have this, like, I’m not I don’t, I don’t do play small. It’s not me. I’m there. So there’s always an edge. In my work in my writing with the baby. She’s not a baby anymore. She told me the other day, but with London. So right now one of the edges I’m playing with is we’re in the process of we’re actually in the process of moving from California where I’ve been my whole life and for several generations to Portugal. Because I have this vision for her based on what I know about her and her unique wiring and her unique design, what I know about my own big dreams that is really just not available here. Right. And so I have this, I’m big on like, I lead with vision. And like what it is that I want to create in my life almost more than my business first. And why I want to create it and how I want to feel as I create it, because most of life is in the creating. It’s not the after you check the box. And then I am very flexible with and I invite spirit because I am actually Whoa. To show me the how to light up the natural next steps to the how. So yeah, so right now, you know, the move to Portugal is a big project I’m working on. And then I always have projects in the business and then my clients businesses that we’re working on.

Jeremy Weisz  19:49  

You know, there’s a lot of decisions throughout it seems like, you know, they’re an easy decisions to make, you know, looking back maybe they were they’re obvious looking back but at the time and seems like the decision to adopt. What was that like?

Tara-Nicholle Kirke  20:06  

Wild that that experience was wild the decision, the actual decision was very felt like no decision at all felt like the only possible thing to do. But everything else about experience was wild. I was literally sitting on a deck, eating fries and drinking champagne, because that’s what I do on Friday. That’s what I used to do on Friday. Let’s be clear, and got a phone call. That was like, I remember sitting across and looking at my friend as I was on the phone being like, what happened? Wait, what? I have to go pick up this baby who I don’t know, I’ve met her. She’s just she was 17 months old at the time and I had met her twice. And just you know, the, the people who were supposed to be taking care of her their shit hit the fan. It’s the only way to say it. And I went literally went over got my friend I was sitting with had an old for kids old car seat in her garage. She said drive to my house, she buckled it into my car, I went and picked this baby up. And she has been with me since then three years ago, three and a half years ago. And it was like a year before the pandemic. So I spent a year in court getting guardianship of her than we were deep in the pandemic and I spent a year adopting her. Yeah, I mean, it’s a I mean, I broke up with my partner in the process. Like there was his whole life, wild life transforming. And my whole business had to change around it. I spent 20 Jeremy, this is the biggest thing I’ve ever done. I spent 21 days in a room by myself with a two year old and the pandemic. When you think all that other stuff was hard.

Jeremy Weisz  22:00  

That was I think there’s Jim Gaffigan bit talking about the pandemic with kids. It’s really funny, but he’s like, you haven’t survived the pandemic, if you hadn’t had like young kids in there with you, you know, obviously, speaking like everyone’s healthy, like, no one’s getting sick, but it’s hilarious the way he describes it.

Tara-Nicholle Kirke  22:24  

Yeah, it’s a whole thing. And I love it. I think I can from I knew early, I knew immediately I would do it. And so then, for me, every kind of big decision like that becomes a process of like, like anything you would label as crisis. In whatever way I’m always reminded that the traditional Greek original meaning of crisis was turning. Every so called crisis is literally in my world, in my mind, and my life is literally an opportunity to take a look at you that what story you’ve been living and see where you might want to disrupt it. Like, great, this is your shot. What so I’m constantly asking myself, what wonderful thing is coming to me through this. And sometimes it’s wonderful as in oh my gosh, I literally got like the best human being to raise. She is a damn delight. We are having a wonderful time. And it’s a challenging time, but a wonderful time. And sometimes it’s a wonderful thing as in like a not so blissful, not so joyful, happy, but like a clarity that you needed to have or something you needed to see about yourself or say to yourself, or, you know, to me the gift of the pen one of the gifts of the pandemic. The best compliment I ever received was an author friend of mine telling me that I Let nothing be wasted on me. And I think that’s, that sums me up. I seek to not let anything be wasted on me. And I think in the pandemic, most of us I’ll just say it this way. Some of the good ones didn’t make it up I know I for sure know people who I am shocked and stunned are no longer on this planet who were a year ago or two years ago or three years ago. And so if you know there’s a there’s a I don’t believe in the cultural story of like time scarcity you’re falling behind Life is short, hurry up, did a bla bla check the boxes, but you’re not paying attention if you don’t see that this you’re not here forever. I’m saying so like if there are things that you desire to do now, or ways that you desire to be now we’re dreams that you desire to fulfill our potential as you desire to fulfill Now, if you’re not doing it now, when you when are you going to do it when you’re going to do it it and that that’s I seek to kind of live like that.

Jeremy Weisz  25:08  

I mean, that’s, you know, kind of talking about the SoulTour which I want to get to and in some of the work you do there and I want to talk about Deepa for a minute, but before we get there, talk about my fitness pal. And when you think of your time there Yeah, what story sticks out to you from the My Fitness Pal days with tremendous growth getting acquired. I mean, there’s so much that happened.

Tara-Nicholle Kirke  25:36  

My Fitness Pal was really such a beautiful time. And it was also such a beautiful case study with me as the case study for myself. At the, you know, up until my fitness pal I was always in including at my fitness fell, I was always like, I wanted to be this deeply, I knew I was called to be transformational in people’s lives. And I thought the way to do that was to do marketing market to them through the lens of goals that they have. And then slip and all this other wonderful material. Like had become like, you know, they want to lose weight. So let’s do we’ll do that we’ll help you lose weight. But then I’m going to slip in all this like messaging in the blog about like, how radically like worthy love you are, and acceptance you are, you know,

Jeremy Weisz  26:24  

like that, give them what they want. But what they need to happen. Yeah, totally slip them,

Tara-Nicholle Kirke  26:28  

you know, yeah. And MyFitnessPal at the very beginning. And at the very end was this experience for me of learning to be in alignment with who I am not doing not not in alignment with the perform conform produce culture, or the way that we are taught to be executives in this world. So before my fitness pal, I’d have this process and experience of a few years of really coming to practice what I now call self mastery, like waking up from some of my self, my own self sabotage my own self silencing patterns. Creating and just create writing, if I had a thing I wanted to write about or speak about, I would just write it and put it out somewhere with no worry about where it was gonna land or if the book would sell or whatever. And that’s actually how I got the My Fitness Pal job in the first place. I had written an article in Forbes, that was basically the precursor to the transformational consumer. Someone from was that yeah, I ended up being like, had outreach from other publications about that was apparently becoming known in venture capital circles is like the woman who does this like transformational kind of marketing. So when my fitness pal, my fitness, I was like eight years old, they had 45 million customers, they had never had a marketing team. And they had never taken investment money at that stage, which is wild. And when they decided to take a first round of investment, they were talking to all the heavy hitting VC funds, and they were like, You need to talk to you need a marketing team one. And you need to talk to Tara. And so they they called me asking like, like literally the brief was Should we have a marketing team? was like, I don’t know the answer to that question. Because honestly, 45 million customers with no marketing team is pretty badass. So but what I can do is like get to know you get to know the business, get to know the roadmap and tell you whether I think there’s something marketing could do for you maybe come up with a creative way marketing can help further the business goals. So I came on as a consultant, actually. And for six months, I just sat with a CEO and like, helped him articulate. She Yes, helped articulate vision and mission and do some hiring of leaders. And create, I had a I had a thought that my fitness pal was doing great on growth because of what it was and how well optimized it was by his work. But engagement it needed some help with. And it was going to need some help on growth in other countries as we expanded into other languages and measurement, metric systems. And I thought, Gosh, 45 million customers already this company if it had a bad ass content program could be like the largest health and fitness media property in the world fast. And we could use that to drive engagement to the app, which like every health app will tell you like you can get users in the first place. But getting them to come back and engage on the app is like another whole challenge. So that’s what we did and I like made the business case for it started to do little, you know, proof of concepts. It started to really work. I hired the whole marketing team, and I was still a consultant And then every month, the CEO would give me a job offer. And I’d be like, nope, nope, nope. Sorry. I know. And finally, the sixth month, the sixth time he gave me the job offer. Well, two things happened. I had just had a conversation with my dad, and my dad was like, You need to come up. I was like, they can’t pay me enough. Like, I’m a consultant, I’m doing really well here. Financially, I get to work at home with my dogs. This was before the pandemic and everybody worked at home. And my dad was like, You need to decide what number would make you say yes. And I decided a number. And like, the next week, I had a meeting with the CEO, where he did two things, he offered me that exact number. Without no talk to your death. Probably no. It was like, half the money I was making. It was literally 50% of what I was making. But I knew that my friend is how power would have like a two year run to exit. And I will do well on the exit. And the other thing he did was this and it’s important, he said, I need to have you in the leadership room at my fitness. And I need that because I know that you will tell me the truth. You’re like my stream to my go to strategic truth teller. And because I had been working for so many years on, like, unlocking my voice and being truth teller in a strategic way, but unfettered way, the fact that that’s that he’s specifically recognized the value of the single thing that was my own personal growth, like, priority was like a very good fit for us. So he made the invitation, I accepted the invitation. And we have this amazing two year run. And then at the end of that two year run, we were acquired by Under Armour haven’t told the story a whole a ton. And I won’t make it long, but

Jeremy Weisz  31:55  

there’s no such thing as long it’s just boring. So. Exactly. So make as long as you need that isn’t

Tara-Nicholle Kirke  32:01  

that well, so you know, mergers and acquisitions, they are a thing. And in the Valley, it’s really pretty normal for people to you know, merge companies and like, leave. But MyfitnessPal itself was so awesome. It was like, I kept thinking about that good too. Good to Great. Remember that book? Jim Collins. Yeah, yeah, the Jim Collins book, which is a great book. But he talks in there about like, a couple of different models of companies like one is like, there’s one genius to like 1000 workers and the other is like, everybody’s kind of egalitarian workers. And I’m like, including the CEO. And I kept thinking you know, what MyFitnessPal is, it’s the flip of that it’s if everybody was a genius. Like the CEO’s the genius, all the C-suite genius, all the workers are a genius. And everybody just gets to like work in their zone of genius all the time, it was freaking awesome. We had a great time together. I mean, people had a hard time finding jobs afterwards because they were just like, I can’t work in this like the state of the workplace was like real not great compared to MyFitnessPal. So once we were acquired it to me it was clear that I was going to be very redundant because Under Armour had bought all of these companies like MyFitnessPal at the same time. So in all of them had like marketers at kind of my level and Under Armour already had someone doing like what I did basically but I was given an offer I was given an offer for a lot of money to stay around as a the word figurehead was thrown out there so that my team wouldn’t leave or so that they wouldn’t leave immediately and I was like, I love some of you very much and I’m going to Croatia to ride my bike now. So I I actually turned it was the first of several times rapid flyer that I turned down like in the seven figures of money for that same level of alignment that I had originally taken the job offer for at MyFitnessPal. So that’s why my decisions my decisions are easy in life, the path around them made easy but the decisions are easy because the decisions are either it’s either in alignment with who I am and why I’m here or it’s not it’s either feels shackles on constricted I’m trying to make a thing happen perform conform produce or it’s shackles off. And that you know in them that I know in the moment and I don’t think everyone’s decision making processes exactly that but for many people shackles on shackles off how does it feel? We’ll put you in some real right decisions in your life. And even though they may feel like you’ve lost something at first.

Jeremy Weisz  34:58  

Right, I want to get To the SoulTour, but I do want to encourage people to check out the book The Transformational Consumer and you know stories there so I know we have limited time so I’m gonna I’m gonna gloss over that because I want to get to SoulTour but

Tara-Nicholle Kirke  35:18  

talk about Deepa let’s talk about Deepa, Deepa’s one of my clients My name is Deepa Purushothaman. I say her whole name because she has an awesome book out right now.

Jeremy Weisz  35:29  

What’s the book?

Tara-Nicholle Kirke  35:30  

The book is called I actually have a right here, it’s called The First The Few and The Only. And I want to get the subtitle, right. So I’m gonna read it, How Women of Color Can Redefine Power in Corporate America is her book. So Deepa as a little she’s kind of a case study for like, somewhat common fact pattern in my clients. I am blessed and I kind of only work with people who are already smart and successful. And often unfulfilled. Often they present with like, I’m doing really great at my job, I have a big job at a big company Deepa was an SVP at Deloitte. A lot of times, they’re having some kind of gateway experience. She was very physically ill she had it, she was in a toxic work environment, and she was pretty chronically physically ill, that’s not uncommon. It’s also not uncommon for people to just be like, gosh, I’m 40 and 50. Now like is this Is there gonna be more out there? You know what I’m saying. And so they know that they’ve always had some kind of a calling for greatness, they’ve always known that they don’t feel like they’ve yet fulfilled their potential or their dreams, or both. And so it’s interesting because I, I kind of ended up being the business coach, the book, the brand, the business coach and strategist to people like that. And it always starts with the spiritual part of spiritual strategy. Right, so So yes, there are very practical things I do to help people distill their frameworks and create, you know, create either a brand book or a growth book, or, you know, figure out what their brand platform should be how they’re going to reach and engage people figure out what the engine of profit for them and transformation for their clients would be in their business. I call that an empire of the soul. So we have a number of programs where we help people create that. But all of the work always starts with daily ritual. It starts with, you know, taking a sacred pause from your life and your every day, to stop reacting and tap back into your natural strengths and power. It’s it, you know, I think of this through the lens of what I call the Self Mastery method, which is really three steps, recalibrate first, then actualize, then align, and over and over again. So when you recalibrate what you’re doing is shifting your paradigms. recalibrating your nervous system. You know what I’m saying? So like, for Deepa, daily, it’s funny because it’s to me one of the simplest things, but the daily ritual was like very, very powerful, it’s guided, there’s a process to it, it works in neuro biologically, psychologically, and spiritually. And in the process of this specific ritual. People download clarity on what’s next for their lives. Right. And then once they do that, and start to come out from under some of the fear and scarcity and unworthiness and even trauma that many people are, you know, carrying along with them in this life, they start to get really curious about who they really are, like, they start to get really into the self discovery systems, whether it’s Myers Briggs and Enneagram StrengthsFinder Colby, I teach the sacred money archetypes, which is a youngin system. And I teach human design the quantum Human Design System. So people start to understand their own wiring and strengths and shadows. And once you get a detailed level of understanding of that you can set new vision and dreams and goals for your life that are not the cultural ones. And then the and then alignment or taking inspired action on those dreams and goals becomes wildly easier and more rewarding because you don’t have that level of inner resistance that you do when you’re setting goals under the influence of your inner critic or fear or cultural conditioning or whatever. And so we just we have a bunch of programs that SoulTour Deepa did a bunch of programs I’m not even sure you know when I love

Jeremy Weisz  39:45  

to talk about the program. Do you know when you said on prayers of the soul, what are the type of programs and people can go to To learn more, check out more but if you get an overview of the type of programs what

Tara-Nicholle Kirke  39:57  

we have a number of them programs for with different entry levels for different people. So we have a program called Dear Dream, which I like to secretly called d2d: just to do the damn thing. But it’s like a 21 day anti procrastination program and a really spacious countercultural way non hustle grind way. And people find themselves taking wild action building incredible momentum on a project that has been like, either it can be a passion project to work, project, whatever, but I help them set the goal in a way that feels like they’re giving them a gift and then get momentum on it. And build daily ritual on the way we have a program on the sacred money archetypes, which is a six week intensive program. People take it when they have if they feel like they have money blocks or like an inner glass ceiling on their income. And they’re not sure why. But I tell people, it’s really a general it’s a Shadow Work Program, the way you do money is the way you do everything. So if you find yourself with it’s kind of our entry level program on self sabotage in general, I have a more advanced self sabotage program called the inner critic tour. And then we are pricing our flagship programs are called empires of the soul, we have two sort of levels of that program. It is like life, life and life mastery and self mastery and Money Mastery and business mastery for people who are building the empires of their soul. And we have like an emergent, we have one section of that program is called the merging empires people whose businesses are doing under 250k a year in revenue. And then we have the Empires collective, that’s for people who are at 250k or more in revenue. And it’s high it’s mentorship, coaching consulting community, there’s some curriculum. And the reality is that building the empire of your soul of your soul is not a blueprint checklist thing, it does not look the same for every person. So there’s a lot of individualized, you know, roadmapping and support in those programs. And those particular empires programs, we have an application process for so people, that’s if you go to Seoul, you get the application, you get to talk to us about that. So go to

Jeremy Weisz  42:18  

people can check out for for the business for that. And then what’s the best way to get in touch? If you know one piece this is resonating with them, where should they go,

Tara-Nicholle Kirke  42:29  

they should go to let’s see if there’s some if you want to know whether we should work together, either a or just drop a note, drop a note to [email protected] And they’ll put you in the right place, I do have this special set of affirmations that are kind of like my power ones that I’d love to offer your people can definitely go for All right, great. So so much of my the way I like to the rubric I like to use and talking about my work is that I get to help people be their big selves and do their big dreams before they die. And then I also get to help them during a better train. And most of the way we do that is by helping them overcome self sabotage, which is rooted in fear, which takes the persona of your inner critic that’s kind of the voice of self doubt and fear. So if you go to and you enter your email address there, a couple things will happen. One is I will give you I’ll send you my transformation Tuesday newsletter and that I send a lesson out every single week that helps people reach their full potential and build their empires with the lives who are born to live on that. But on that page, when you sign up, you’ll also get a quick audio training. That’s one of the the of the hundreds of lessons I’ve given. It’s one of the ones that people pay me to come give the most on how to breathe new life into old dreams. And you’ll get a download, that are like affirmations to be friend and transform your inner critic not to slay or silence or mute or kill your inner critic to be clear, to be friend and transform your inner critic, which is a process of soothing your inner critic in a way that releases inner resistance and unlocks your power to create what you want to create. So that’s, and that’s just the best. It’s the easiest way to get on my general email list too. We do live events, we do all kinds of other things. We open up programs and life challenges and activations all the time. So if you’re on that if you go to You get on the list and you get all the invitations.

Jeremy Weisz  44:43  

Sure, I want to add one last question before I ask it I just want to thank you for for sharing your journey sharing your knowledge and wisdom everyone can go to Check out to get that but share what Tara just shared. You know what are some resources that you like? You mentioned you know, Jim Collins book, we mentioned your book, what are some of the other resources that are books that the you’ve studied or like,

Tara-Nicholle Kirke  45:10  

I love Gay Hendricks The Big Leap. I’m sure you know that book. Let’s see, I have read a lot of Karen, Human Design, I read a lot of Karen Curry Parker. And she has, she has a new book out that’s very entry level into human design that I like and I’m recommending it’s called the Human Design Workbook. Um, let’s see. I love the four agree. I’m giving you like some of the classics. I love the Four Agreements. The Four Agreements is to me is the shortest book that will change your entire life. Like I went to Amazon to send somebody the link to the Four Agreements, you know how Amazon is like, you bought this book, it was like you bought this book 22 times, because I just sent him like, you guys don’t understand this book is a game changer.

Jeremy Weisz  45:59  

I mean, I think about those thing, the premises in the foreground was on a daily basis, you know, especially don’t take anything personally, you know, specifically.

Tara-Nicholle Kirke  46:09  

what a challenge right? As it what an aspiration to take nothing personally, and to be impeccable with your word, which is interesting because it doesn’t it’s not the book is so deep for being so short. Be impeccable with your word doesn’t just mean like, do what you say you’ll do. It means understand that you have the power to speak life or death energy or disconnect into anything. And so because of the people the people I work with tend to be they’re just like the good ones. You know what I mean? They’re like the good ones. And so they don’t tend to be out here like slandering other people they tend to slander their own dreams and goals though. They will talk against them or against their own just didn’t doubting and wondering you know, when is it ever gonna? ever gonna? Whatever they can create a really like actually low vibration on the subject of their own dreams? Yeah, those are some of my all time favorite. Oh, you know what? sleeper hit. I never hear anyone talk about this book when it’s so good. It’s called Necessary Endings by Dr. Henry Cloud. Because our culture is very anti ending, and in so P It’s a really good that book taught me about taught me boundaries, and taught me how to determine how to ascertain when I needed to make a necessary ending and what I needed to end. Like sometimes it’s not the whole relationship with an employee, but it might be a pattern. Right? And then gives you like, tools were actually executing necessary and it’s really good book.

Jeremy Weisz  47:56  

I love the sleepers. Tara, I want to be the first one thank you, everyone, check out, Check it out. And her book as well. Tara, thank you so much.

Tara-Nicholle Kirke  48:08  

So welcome, Jeremy Thank you for having me.